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#269518 - 07/01/2011 Re: What is JA2 Reloaded [Re: Shanga]

Dzsono
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I really hope BitComposer offers an open beta testing phase. Perhaps there will be something that can be salvaged from this apparent wreck?

Flettner and others have mentioned the Civilization franchise as a good example of turn-based strategy succeeding in the modern era, both commercially and in quality of gameplay. I must say that I find Civilization V to be ridiculously addictive and I'm not even a big fan of the genre. It certainly offers much more satisfying gameplay than any of its RTS counter-parts, like Age of Empires, et al.

I guess my message to BitComposer is that gameplay can still be exciting and enthralling even if you are able to have a couple of mouthfuls of soup in between turns. The commercial success of the Civ franchise should be a testament to that.
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#271350 - 26/01/2011 Re: What is JA2 Reloaded [Re: Mauser]

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Originally Posted By: Mauser
Originally Posted By: SJBenoist

That is all we are missing from having a whole new game built by the community already, is it not?
and hacking and externalizing the existing JA2 engine will only get us so far anyways.

haloangel We cannot mod for ourselves, "we" are "old core" that must pass knowledge to younger minds and brains...coding-experienced people try (in vain i say) to resist "revolution" through "reforma". Hopefully virtual blood and stupidness will be the only victims of the engine change. A change in operating system caliber, so to say. cool
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#272240 - 03/02/2011 Re: What is JA2 Reloaded [Re: el_ozaziel]

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Do I smell a hyped product that will eventually crash and burn?
News!
I think so. Reeks of garbage in so many ways.
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#272280 - 03/02/2011 Re: What is JA2 Reloaded [Re: Slax]

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Originally Posted By: Slax
Do I smell a hyped product that will eventually crash and burn?
News!
I think so. Reeks of garbage in so many ways.


I smell blackcat
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#273646 - 16/02/2011 Re: What is JA2 Reloaded [Re: tao]

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So they changed the name of the game, because they got a shit storm about not doing the remake in TB. Now they can say:"We never said it would be a remake, there isn't a '2' in the title."

After all the protest against the PauseToGo system. Instead of changing it back to turnbase, they change the name of the game. Way to go Bit Composer... (I guess it's the cheaper option.)

I posted the same remark on their 'brand new' forums. Let's see what they have to say...
http://boards.jaggedalliance.com/index.p..._1947#entry1947

(Probably nothing...)
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#273652 - 16/02/2011 Re: What is JA2 Reloaded [Re: Sgt_Rock]

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So....It is not Jagged Alliance 2: Back in Action.
It is Jagged Alliance: Back in Action.
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#273767 - 17/02/2011 Re: What is JA2 Reloaded [Re: tao]

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Did they transfer the accounts over from the old site? My password is not working.

So bc simply gave up on the old board and made a new one? Wow, that is so sad.

I am cool with them doing real time with pause, I am cool with them renaming the game, but deleting their fan base - wow, I don't know what to say. (I wish I had several hundred active users...)
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#273840 - 17/02/2011 Re: What is JA2 Reloaded [Re: Dieter]

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Dieter seeing how 98% of them were acting belligerently they probably thought it was a good idea.

I was not surprised about it being RTWP I was surprised by it being so similar to what headrock and I were talking about last year.
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#273847 - 17/02/2011 Re: What is JA2 Reloaded [Re: Helios]

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How long has it been since they acquired the franchise?
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#273876 - 18/02/2011 Re: What is JA2 Reloaded [Re: tao]

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oh boy, this developement looks bad...
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#275200 - 06/03/2011 Re: What is JA2 Reloaded [Re: Shanga]

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Here is a first look preview from GameSpot:

http://gdc.gamespot.com/story/6302301/jagged-alliance-back-in-action-impressions-first-look

Seems that at least turn-based combat will be in still, and still based in Arulco. So no matter the name-change, it seems to be a remake of JA2.

I just hope the charm of the game isn't lost. I loved the quirky mercs and their interactions with each other (which is a point that could use some further development).

I just hope for the best.


Edited by TempestDK (06/03/2011)
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#275226 - 06/03/2011 Re: What is JA2 Reloaded [Re: TempestDK]

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I like this news.
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#275241 - 07/03/2011 Re: What is JA2 Reloaded [Re: tao]

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I like this:

Quote:
And just like before, the game will give you the choice to play these battles in real time (if you happen to be totally insane) or in turn-based mode (if you're sane).


Quote:
From what we can tell from our brief demonstration, Back in Action brings back all the elements of the classic tactical strategy game, including limited action points for each mercenary to spend each turn on movement, reloading, firing, throwing grenades, using explosives, patching up wounded teammates, and so on. If you happen to be carrying an automatic weapon, you can also still set your firing mode to single shot, burst, and full auto. Back in Action also uses Jagged Alliance 2's line-of-sight system, which displays each character's field of view as a triangular cone on the ground radiating outward, and just like in the original game, your best bet, at least early on, will be to stay low, stay out of sight, and pick off enemies one by one.


..but this makes me remain cautious:

Quote:
The early version of the game we saw was still using placeholder in-game assets

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#275243 - 07/03/2011 Re: What is JA2 Reloaded [Re: Shanga]

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personally i think JAbiA is going to be realtime since they never actually played the game for them selves but merly saw a demo of it so their impression is likley false. also bitcomposer has stated ti make the game realtime with pause why change that and not announce it to the fans who ave been bashing them eversince they revealed JAbiA being realtime

so dont get to optimistic
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#275318 - 08/03/2011 Re: What is JA2 Reloaded [Re: Shadow21]

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The person who wrote this at GameSpot doesn't seem to know the original game that well, either - or have I been missing something all those years about Arulco being an island?
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#276897 - 30/03/2011 Re: What is JA2 Reloaded [Re: Fozzie]

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New character models:





Is it me or do those rifles look too big? He's pulling the trigger with 2 fingers and doesn't hold the frontgrip.

Too be honest. They look like crap.


Edited by CaRNi4 (30/03/2011)
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#276902 - 30/03/2011 Re: What is JA2 Reloaded [Re: Sgt_Rock]

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Nice shirt tho !! cool
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#276905 - 30/03/2011 Re: What is JA2 Reloaded [Re: lockie]

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A 4 1/2 minute gameplay video can be downloaded at http://www.gamestar.de/_misc/downloads/videos/detailarchiv.cfm?pk=142176&fk=57651&pid=1735 (~180 MB, German commentary)
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#276909 - 30/03/2011 Re: What is JA2 Reloaded [Re: lockie]

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Originally Posted By: lockie
Nice shirt tho !! cool

Second that! Some flavor bay bay!
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#276915 - 30/03/2011 Re: What is JA2 Reloaded [Re: tao]

Shadow21
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nice seems my boy shadow is getting a boonie hat, like the weapons and the character models a shame that the rest of the game is going to be .....
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#276916 - 30/03/2011 Re: What is JA2 Reloaded [Re: Shadow21]

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I watched that gameplay footage and it looks rather...BUT it does have cool graphics and shitty animations!
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#276919 - 30/03/2011 Re: What is JA2 Reloaded [Re: tao]

Shadow21
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yeah watched it too, tactically this looks like a step back from 7.62 high caliber may be it will get some polish
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#276920 - 30/03/2011 Re: What is JA2 Reloaded [Re: Shadow21]

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I didn't like the feet shuffling.
It does look good though.
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#276921 - 31/03/2011 Re: What is JA2 Reloaded [Re: tao]

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Just watched the video, also a ... from me. Additionally, be glad if you don't understand the comments ... I can't decide wether audio or video is worse.

Don't know if i should list all the stuff that bothers me about this, better not I guess.
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#276928 - 31/03/2011 Re: What is JA2 Reloaded [Re: DepressivesBrot]

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tell me about it the commentary is borderline embarassing especially the wannabe comedy parts ughh
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#276932 - 31/03/2011 Re: What is JA2 Reloaded [Re: Shadow21]

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Can you translate?
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#276942 - 31/03/2011 Re: What is JA2 Reloaded [Re: tao]

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Meh, the dude is talking way too fast, plus it is all poser nonsense, the words exist, but the way he uses them is unusual, not normally used, or the context does not fit, has no meaning. He is basically some guy who was given a demo and describes what he sees while utilizing a list of key points he got from bc. He says most of the stuff you see is not final, just a proof of concept for the bc dudes to check if they are on the right track. (Well, and I hope you don't need to empty 30 round magazines from 10 feet way at each other with no visible effect.)
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#276946 - 31/03/2011 Re: What is JA2 Reloaded [Re: Dieter]

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Informations from the Video commentary:

1. This is early alpha footage, with basic UI and AI. party

2. Basically there will be all options from JA2 like single shot, burst, crouching ...

3. The commentator is a guy who played JA2 and he says that the tactical P&G gameplay it okay, he had the at first a strange feeling but in the end, fights should be good.

4. You have to discover enemys on the map. In the lategame you may have an option to scan the minimap from an satellite.

5. There will be an action-timeline where you can manage your merc actions.

6. Merc with the suit is grunty.


Edited by Peal (31/03/2011)
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#276948 - 31/03/2011 Re: What is JA2 Reloaded [Re: Peal]

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Originally Posted By: Dieter
Meh, the dude is talking way too fast, plus it is all poser nonsense, the words exist, but the way he uses them is unusual, not normally used, or the context does not fit, has no meaning.
I can see your problem ... he basically tries very hard to be funny by using some kind of generic slang, unusual terms and stupid pronunciation ... it's the usual 'style' of that magazine.
Originally Posted By: Dieter
He is basically some guy who was given a demo and describes what he sees while utilizing a list of key points he got from bc.

Yeah, my feeling as well ... it's all so congruent with the cr** bc normally feeds us, there must be some kind of 'hey you get an alpha preview, but don't speak badly of it' agreement.

Originally Posted By: Dieter
Well, and I hope you don't need to empty 30 round magazines from 10 feet way at each other with no visible effect.

Hope that as well, having seen those fights, WH40k has higher hit rates.
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#276949 - 31/03/2011 Re: What is JA2 Reloaded [Re: DepressivesBrot]

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"WH40k has higher hit rates."

lol true story ...

*edit*

man i cannot emphasize enough that Plan&Go / SPM is such an ridicules bad system, makes so much bad gameplay, like exactly in this video. Mercs standing still shooting each other 10m, yeah party .... zzzZZ


Edited by Peal (31/03/2011)
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#276950 - 31/03/2011 Re: What is JA2 Reloaded [Re: Peal]

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yeah whatrs with the spray and pray. the hit chance seems to be pretty low. best scene enemy fires a whole magazine on shadow from 5 meters away .shadow just waits until the mag is empty to lob a grenade, which kills the enemy. btw shadow was out in the open so he must have balls of steel widegrin
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#276951 - 31/03/2011 Re: What is JA2 Reloaded [Re: Dieter]

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Oh, goodies - so it IS going to be a "spend 90% of playing time moving the camera around" type of game, just my favourite! And even if the style of the UI is not final, you can already tell it will take up way too much screen space, especially with a full squad, which also adds to make zooming/rotating/tilting to get a specific enemy into view the core challenge of the game.

I also have a suspicion that once they actually implement weapon damage, throwing a grenade is going to be a suicide mission - slowly standing up, readying the grenade and finally hurling it in SloMo, while all enemies continue emptying their clips on your merc...
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#276952 - 31/03/2011 Re: What is JA2 Reloaded [Re: Fozzie]

Shadow21
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since the animation are to supposed to be not final maybe throwing grenades from all postures?
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#277020 - 01/04/2011 Re: What is JA2 Reloaded [Re: Shadow21]

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Originally Posted By: Shadow21
yeah whatrs with the spray and pray. the hit chance seems to be pretty low. best scene enemy fires a whole magazine on shadow from 5 meters away .shadow just waits until the mag is empty to lob a grenade, which kills the enemy. btw shadow was out in the open so he must have balls of steel widegrin

Its 'cause he's got super powered super sneakiness: the enemy couldn't see him properly, and it was such a mindscrew that he got really confused.

Its not a bug, its groudbreaking AI! tongue
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#277029 - 01/04/2011 Re: What is JA2 Reloaded [Re: DepressivesBrot]

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Originally Posted By: DepressivesBrot
WH40k has higher hit rates.


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#277063 - 01/04/2011 Re: What is JA2 Reloaded [Re: Dieter]

Peal
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From bitComposer Jochen:

Quote:
Please note that this is a video of an EARLY build of the game.
Its only purpose is to visualise our plans with the Plan&Go system.

-Animations are NOT final.

-Balancing is NOT final
(like "standing 5ft apart and emtying whole magazines into each other", this is actually useful for testing purposes but will be changed later on)

-Blood and Gore.. please note that this video was for a German press release. Again, NOT final.

-User Interface is NOt final

-Terrain/Grafics will recive some polishing


Please keep in mind the game is set for Release in Q4 2011.


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#277374 - 06/04/2011 Re: What is JA2 Reloaded [Re: Peal]

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Here's yo-tube version of the above mentioned game play video for lazy people how don't want to download the zip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01e3bPLo3zE
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#277740 - 11/04/2011 Re: What is JA2 Reloaded [Re: Peal]

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Originally Posted By: Peal
Informations from the Video commentary:


(...)
4. You have to discover enemys on the map. In the lategame you may have an option to scan the minimap from an satellite.

(...)


At least this part remains true to the original...
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#278145 - 18/04/2011 Re: What is JA2 Reloaded [Re: Valkyrie]

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looks shitty... I guess there is no hope for a good sequel at all...
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#278355 - 22/04/2011 Re: What is JA2 Reloaded [Re: 1000sassa]

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yeah reloaded or back in action or whatever it looks like a steamy pile... BUT the online game still appears to turn based. I hope for that game. Is it just me or does the online game look like pretend 3d, which would really be the same as ja2? all the screen shots i have seen look just like super upgraded ja2. Im my dreams we could steal the graphics form JAmmo and slap them over ja2 1.13. yeah i know, time to wake up, but its still a nice dream.
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#278381 - 22/04/2011 Re: What is JA2 Reloaded [Re: easterngames]

Peal
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It's a little eastern bunnies and crazy rabbits dream i guess.

But i totally share your thoughts about JAO, it looks promising and after i saw the developer is not bC anymore i have tonns of fresh fancy shmancy hope wink
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#286588 - 15/07/2011 Re: What is JA2 Reloaded [Re: Peal]

Carver
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I'd play it.
But it would feel like cheating..

looks like i'm gonna have to stick with 1.13.
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#287640 - 26/07/2011 Re: What is JA2 Reloaded [Re: Carver]

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I'd also stay with 1.13 for now.
Hardly the new game will offer even half the fun 1.13 brings to the people.
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#287718 - 26/07/2011 Re: What is JA2 Reloaded [Re: MikeThePro]

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Well after seeing several failed attempts at making a new jagged alliance game I was very skeptical of bitcomposer (taking away TBS did not really help). However after seeing the a three part trailer on gametrailers.com I am quite optimistic now, I think they will make a good game . For me jagged alliance was never just about TBS nor just the mercs; it was the overall experience that made the game so great. If Bitcomposer is able to give the same overall experience without TBS then that is okey for me.

And it would be nice of people stopped hating on the game and trashing it before we get a chance to play it, it is one thing to state that you are skeptical to the game and an other thing just trashing it as some members are doing (hating for the sake of hating). I am looking forward to this game and I hope I will not be disappointed.


Edited by Dass (26/07/2011)
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#287736 - 27/07/2011 Re: What is JA2 Reloaded [Re: Dass]

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Originally Posted By: Dass
Well after seeing several failed attempts at making a new jagged alliance game I was very skeptical of bitcomposer (taking away TBS did not really help). However after seeing the a three part trailer on gametrailers.com I am quite optimistic now, I think they will make a good game . For me jagged alliance was never just about TBS nor just the mercs; it was the overall experience that made the game so great. If Bitcomposer is able to give the same overall experience without TBS then that is okey for me.

And it would be nice of people stopped hating on the game and trashing it before we get a chance to play it, it is one thing to state that you are skeptical to the game and an other thing just trashing it as some members are doing (hating for the sake of hating). I am looking forward to this game and I hope I will not be disappointed.

Originally I was taking a similar stance (that it could turn out okay and to reserve judgement until its actually released) but their marketing efforts have managed to change my mind on it -- I've now basically written it off. I haven't been trashing it, but its gotten too hard to be optimistic about it. So I'm basically sitting back and seeing if they can somehow stop the train wreck (or at least fire whoever has been handling their public relations/marketing :rolleyes:).


Edited by 1Samildanach (27/07/2011)
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#287739 - 27/07/2011 Re: What is JA2 Reloaded [Re: 1Samildanach]

Dass
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1Samildanach:
you probobly have already seen it but my opinion changed when i watched the trailer at gametrailers.com (its a 3 part trailer), it is in in english too (everything else has been in german so far).
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#288744 - 10/08/2011 Re: What is JA2 Reloaded [Re: Dass]

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It ends for me at. "We've taken out the Turn Based system and replaced it with a plan and go."

It's like making you keep tapping forward in Need for Speed. Sure it's a new twist but your fingers won't be happy.

It's just JA = Turn Based. And what they are making is 7.62 2 or 5.56 or some other rifle caliber.
They're selling something under a popular name and hope the fans will jump on it like starving wolves on a steak.

But they hung it in front of us a little too long and most of us can smell it's rotten. This is NOT Jagged Alliance.
They've turned this into a 7.62 or E5, but both of these combined don't come close to JA in number of sales. They're so pathetic E5 has a wikipedia page that fits on a post-it, and 7.62 doesn't even have one.
They've turned a money maker into a piece of (#&*^$)
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Originally Posted By: Jager
I don't want to play another game, I just want to have a better chess board.

Taken from the JaggedAllaince.com forums Anti RTwP thread
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#289562 - 21/08/2011 Re: What is JA2 Reloaded [Re: EXos]

Damienov
private 1st class
Registered: 28/08/2009
Posts: 13
Well, it seems the game is now pushed back to Q1 2012 instead of October this year.
http://www.jaggedalliance.com/en/2011/08/jagged-alliance-back-in-action-postponement-release/

I'm keeping an optimistic view of this. With this amount of time, I hope they can add a turn based system as optional to satisfy everyone. At the very least they have the time to iron out the bugs.

IMHO in a marketing point of view, this is a good move as they wont be competing with larger titles that will be released on Q4 2011.
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#289572 - 21/08/2011 Re: What is JA2 Reloaded [Re: Damienov]

1Samildanach
Corporal 1st class
Registered: 26/02/2009
Posts: 67
Loc: Southern hemisphere
Originally Posted By: Damienov
Well, it seems the game is now pushed back to Q1 2012 instead of October this year.
http://www.jaggedalliance.com/en/2011/08/jagged-alliance-back-in-action-postponement-release/

I'm keeping an optimistic view of this. With this amount of time, I hope they can add a turn based system as optional to satisfy everyone. At the very least they have the time to iron out the bugs.

Or... they could use that time to make the graphics even more super awesome! They could possibly even reach the standards of a year or two ago!

Sorry, that was too easy to resist tongue.
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#291367 - 01/10/2011 Re: What is JA2 Reloaded [Re: 1Samildanach]

Torres84
sergeant
Registered: 10/06/2010
Posts: 121
Loc: Canary Islands
Oh dear God who art in Heaven... I never asked you ANYTHING (ok maybe a couple of things but most of them unimportant) but pleeeaseeeeeeee don't let anyone out there screw the best game ever.

If you have to let them crap the game bcause they prayed more... at least make them share the code so we can have a modded jagged alliance 3.

PS.- Dear Lord, I have Magic and Shadow on my side... you know where is this going.
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