#165792 - 26 November, 2007 07:18 PM
Re: JA2 v1.13 Multiplayer - alpha (proof of concept release) !
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Nicely done mate. Something the JA community has been wishing for since Deadly Games!
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#165859 - 27 November, 2007 01:54 PM
Re: JA2 v1.13 Multiplayer - alpha (proof of concept release) !
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RoWa21
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I tested the multiplayer version and it realy works. You did a great job haydent!
So the first step for JA2 multiplayer is done! Now it is only a question of time to have a fantastic JA2 multiplayer game ;-)
@haydent: If you need any help in coding, I would support you on that great project.
@all: The "Ja2_mp.ini" goes into the root folder of your JA2 installation. Next to the "ja2.ini" file
Edited by RoWa21 (27 November, 2007 02:08 PM)
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#165881 - 28 November, 2007 01:55 AM
Re: JA2 v1.13 Multiplayer - alpha (proof of concept release) !
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haydent
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thanks for the offer, and its something im keen on, as there's a lot of simple work just creating calls/sends and receive/implements for what ever game actions can be integrated to enable as much of the features available from singleplayer... e.g. grenades, roof action, lock picking, synced structure damage and AI movements... etc. etc.
im taking an early Christmas camping trip for the next couple of weeks so nothing till after then , but ive allready made some advancements towards a "playable" release. with that id feel happy to open the code up to helpers. its just a bit messy and experimental right now, id like to clean it up and get to a release with these ideas features and some in code documentation:
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*both players start a new game, connect to each other, set the battle sector, then hire their mercs for the match from the already implemented menus of aim and merc.
*as mentioned the server chooses an agreed apon start sector from the map and each team is heli dropped off for the battle, (this bit is almost done, with all sectors unlocked and heli droppable right from the beginning without omerta, ala quick battle- drop right on the queens nest  )
*each team is considered as enemy to those mercs that should be allowing for turn-based combat with interupts ala normal single player but multiplayer (basically your network opponents are controlling AI disabled soldiers in the form of a hired merc chosen at start) ! perhaps hopefully having coop possible as well ...
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#165886 - 28 November, 2007 03:08 AM
Re: JA2 v1.13 Multiplayer - alpha (proof of concept release) !
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haydent
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nice to know... i guess we'll just see what we can do ... ps thanks for the rank 
Edited by haydent (28 November, 2007 03:14 AM)
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#165928 - 28 November, 2007 12:31 PM
Re: JA2 v1.13 Multiplayer - alpha (proof of concept release) !
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Great news!
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#165949 - 29 November, 2007 01:10 AM
Re: JA2 v1.13 Multiplayer - alpha (proof of concept release) !
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Ooooh, delicious!
But how does merc selection is handled? Is it a first-come, first-serve basis or what? Seems the real issue with a multiplayer game is how to allow players fair selection of mercs.
Would be possible to code maps so that players would have specific objectives like in Deadly Games? One player has to hold position or protect an NPC from the other player, capture-the-flag games, stuff like that?
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#165951 - 29 November, 2007 01:26 AM
Re: JA2 v1.13 Multiplayer - alpha (proof of concept release) !
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A chance to play co-op campaign would be super!
And in co-op could there be a way to make that characters from a different team would look like enemies in extreme range of vision? During night and rainstorms it could be a bit harder to tell enemy from a friend. It would make things interesting...
Just throwing ideas around in here.
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#165960 - 29 November, 2007 05:28 AM
Re: JA2 v1.13 Multiplayer - alpha (proof of concept release) !
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haydent If you ever come to Portugal, Diner is on me!!!!
Thanks allot!!!!!!!!!
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#166092 - 30 November, 2007 12:23 PM
Re: JA2 v1.13 Multiplayer - alpha (proof of concept release) !
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Great! I haven't yet tried it, but will try soon.
As I though, simple co-op was the easiest to get started with. I'm looking forward to a complete multiplayer mode.
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#166117 - 30 November, 2007 02:58 PM
Re: JA2 v1.13 Multiplayer - alpha (proof of concept release) !
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Hey, congratulations! I can't believe how quickly you got it up and running. You'll be home for xmas right? I'll take a look at your code and help out where i can, but it seems like you're doing well already.
I can't wait to play a game against you!
p.s. don't forget about my model plane, it'd be sweet if you can get it all fixed up before i get home :-)
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#166121 - 30 November, 2007 03:15 PM
Re: JA2 v1.13 Multiplayer - alpha (proof of concept release) !
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A thought on co-op, i do not think a co-op campaign would be very effective due to the time combat is small in comparison to time in mission.
However i really do like the thought of kicking my bro's butt into playing a co-op game vs'ing the red shirts on a map. With the huge map project, if they are successfully in making a very large map, with say 300 enemy soldiers on there, objectives or just cleanup, i see GREAT potential in brining a full type of game play in.
Now all i gotta do is find someone i can play...
Keep up the great work, and another hot x-mas is ahead for us
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#166337 - 02 December, 2007 05:50 AM
Re: JA2 v1.13 Multiplayer - alpha (proof of concept release) !
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Oh wow. This is probably the best news I've gotten in... well, pretty much ever 
Oh how I hope this concept will go ever so far.
Nice job, haydent. You've done this community a great service
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#166416 - 02 December, 2007 06:30 PM
Re: JA2 v1.13 Multiplayer - alpha (proof of concept release) !
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haha, how cool would it be to have a deathmatch game where one player controls a pack of blood cats (is that what they're called?), and the other player has a squad of shotgun carrying mercs :-P
could be pretty brutal!
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#166741 - 06 December, 2007 12:15 AM
Re: JA2 v1.13 Multiplayer - alpha (proof of concept release) !
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RoWa21
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@all: JA2 Multiplayer also works nice over WLAN ;-)
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#167042 - 08 December, 2007 09:49 PM
Re: JA2 v1.13 Multiplayer - alpha (proof of concept release) !
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haydent
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But how does merc selection is handled?
at starts it will be no restrictions for simplicity, ala either player can choose any available mercs,.
objectives... , can be no doubt coded in later
hotseat, not supported and not a focus
turnbased dr-d, yes that is the next thing, so the each player only controls their mercs and there is a turn based combat process...
i guess i could add in a new faction to the turn based scripting... maybe more professional than the "hack" i had in mind of making the opponent seem as enemy... have to look deeper into that part of the code...
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#167047 - 09 December, 2007 12:35 AM
Re: JA2 v1.13 Multiplayer - alpha (proof of concept release) !
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Being able to add factions (as far as i have heard) is kinda messy in the code. However if you can unlock the secrets to adding factions, i believe there will be much celebration all around.
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#167051 - 09 December, 2007 02:39 AM
Re: JA2 v1.13 Multiplayer - alpha (proof of concept release) !
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I think the problem with factions exists partly because there is no clean and consistent way to iterate over all teams and all members of a team. In my project I made some effort to improve the situation and I added some simple macros to iterate over team members. Of course there is more to do, but at least this is a small step in the right direction.
Stable multiplayer support in general is rather tedious, because there are several ad hoc ways to affect soldiers (set position, attack, get hit, etc.) and many global variables are involved.
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#167085 - 09 December, 2007 05:00 AM
Re: JA2 v1.13 Multiplayer - alpha (proof of concept release) !
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-- This is translated by google, because my english is very bad ---
(Come form Germany!)
Hi folks!
What I see is another industrious an Ja2-Coop programming.
I am also in the process for about 2 weeks, I just use a different approach:
I write in 2 different languages, as I do with C + + only started a week ago.
All memory addresses which are needed by my server program can read and write.
(Because it contains the values of the soldiers, positions, etc.)
The server can either read the memory addresses, and in the Ja2 Coop version.
The Coop mode is only 2 player, but 6 soldiers in the team can be.
I am now when sending data to the player off, it actually works,
But an alpha, I will still not published.
At Christmas, I wanted to publish the time when I think as far.
The multiplayer is based on the Soruce code version of the 1202nd
If there is a newer version to download, then send me the address please.
If one maybe even speak German, and I want to help somehow,
Then he can write me happy!
I am sorry for my bad english,
I hope somebody can understand
This text.
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#167214 - 10 December, 2007 02:17 PM
Re: JA2 v1.13 Multiplayer - alpha (proof of concept release) !
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haydent
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sounds interesting... i got the email version first which had this extra:
Picture:
Memory Write / Read Memory Write / Read
Host -> TCP/IP-> Client
<-- Data <--
----------- Info -------- Info -----------
|Ja 2 Coop| <------> |Server| <------> |Ja 2 Coop|
----------- -------- -----------
im uploading mine to a svn today and then open to contribs.
as for factions , i easily defined three new teams/sides which get their turn in the action, im having a go now at the hiring of mercs and i guess the iteration probs you talk of would come into being able to send specific commands for a merc on one machine to the same on another when their uniqueID's are different on every computer and may be in different ubID slots ... ?
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#167265 - 11 December, 2007 08:54 AM
Re: JA2 v1.13 Multiplayer - alpha (proof of concept release) !
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ubID Will always be a problem. The all merc ID was not prepared for multiplayer.
But you could take advantage of the multiple imp developed in 1.13.
So you could "copy paste" every chosen char stats(and data) to other char. That way you can have 2 "shadows" in the same game.
I would NOT have different IDs in each client. That will mess p things really bad
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#167273 - 11 December, 2007 11:14 AM
Re: JA2 v1.13 Multiplayer - alpha (proof of concept release) !
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RoWa21
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@haydent: Where do you upload your multipayer source code to svn?
Is this the location: http://81.169.133.124/source/ja2/branches/JA2_Multiplayer/
Please also post a litte "getting started" file where you describe the needed todo steps for implementing multiplayer functionality. That would be great.
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#167326 - 11 December, 2007 06:05 PM
Re: JA2 v1.13 Multiplayer - alpha (proof of concept release) !
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haydent
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i haven't uploaded yet as i need a resumable uplaod site, due to drop out with slow dialup and 7mb rar... if someone can suggest one thanks...
i thought i had added three new teams easily, but not ... they cycled through but i couldnt add merc to them, i thought i could , but it was just that the first new team i added had taken the place of the already implemented player_plan team... (so i scrapped the new teams thing for now) and will be sticking with your multiplayer opponents if opposed will be on the enemy team, or civ or melitia if friendly...
i got my merc adding working, was missing some #includes needed for the struct of tacticaladdsoldier ,
so i should have hiring of mercs and teams working in future
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But you could take advantage of the multiple imp developed in 1.13.
So you could "copy paste" every chosen char stats(and data) to other char. That way you can have 2 "shadows" in the same game.
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can you tell me more about this or point me to some code ? ...
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#167327 - 11 December, 2007 06:38 PM
Re: JA2 v1.13 Multiplayer - alpha (proof of concept release) !
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haydent
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ok, i just read the email with the svn login and am looknig into it now.. thanks
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#167415 - 12 December, 2007 12:08 PM
Re: JA2 v1.13 Multiplayer - alpha (proof of concept release) !
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lalienxx
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This site should work without any account in read only mode. Just try to enter the adress into Tortoise SVN and make a check out. Important: the address starts with https not http
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#167443 - 12 December, 2007 04:18 PM
Re: JA2 v1.13 Multiplayer - alpha (proof of concept release) !
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haydent
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and will be sticking with your multiplayer opponents if opposed will be on the enemy team, or civ or melitia if friendly... Please don't, that work is fundamental to a > 2 players game. if we wana have a multiplayer team vs a multiplayer team( like 4 clients vs 4 clients ) we need to be able to add more factions to the code. this can be dune with an militia turn but the middle-playing players would have to have an before militia turn and an after militia turn. The way you take this step will be crucial to later multiplayer possibilities.Please think it trough before hammering the existing code.
for sure i want to have extra teams/factions and definately something to work towards, are you suggesting adding lan clients to the militia team or and new team all together ?
im at a cross roads with the ubID soldier selection .... you can get a merc's ubID from their merc profile ID, which is no problem and would work well when addressing remotes soldiers with new orders, but would only work with hired mercs and not the AI, therefore disableing possibilities of coop, which i was considering doing as this german guy sounds like it may come out seperately, but perhaps i will have another go at getting into the turned based scripting to create some new teams...
current progress done:
rough working process of:
start new game, join lan server, hire mercs which arrive instantly at desired sector, when all clients ready, prebattle interface pops' up (red screen), goto sector, all clients get to place their mercs from the overhead/map tactical gui screen in preallocated edge, when all done and ready, away we go ...
ps no server needed just yet...
Edited by haydent (12 December, 2007 04:19 PM)
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#167444 - 12 December, 2007 04:27 PM
Re: JA2 v1.13 Multiplayer - alpha (proof of concept release) !
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haydent
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oh yeah, the other problem was that all the soldier slots are taken/assigned between the current number of teams, so either one needs to reduce the size of some of the teams or increase the max soldiers of poss ??
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#167746 - 16 December, 2007 01:35 AM
Re: JA2 v1.13 Multiplayer - alpha (proof of concept release) !
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haydent
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just a quick update of progressions over here...
am hoping and looking likely to release "beta" 2-4 team "playable" version soon b4 christmas... been working on it alot, and have implemented 4 new teams , hoping to have coop too, obviously lots could be implemeted but im not going all the way just yet, more of a quick hack and some working fun for friends... as feel my approach may be as not be as though-rough as say if you had a central server version of the game running that is streaming itself to the client who are streaming back their changes/controls... (my current one is more like a peer-to-peer analogy which im finding has its drawbacks with this engines complexity...
Hayden.
Edited by haydent (16 December, 2007 01:36 AM)
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#168379 - 21 December, 2007 02:08 AM
Re: JA2 v1.13 Multiplayer - alpha (proof of concept release) !
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Thor
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I'm eager to try it out Keep up the good work, Haydent.
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#168388 - 21 December, 2007 03:32 AM
NEW: ja2 v1.13 Multiplayer - pre beta testing release, multiteam action +more
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haydent
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ok, we got some more here for you ! and im looking for testing and feedback.
'Some' of the changes:
*4 team turn based action with upto 5 mercs per side !
(4th team has display issue, hopefully soon to be fixed)
* Hire your mercs from AIM and MERC,
* Place Bobby Rays Orders !
* Initiate and Utilise the Pre-Battle Interface and Tactical Placement GUI (overhead merc placement)
* Damage Divisor , for longer action
* Disable AI
* Choose sector starting edge
* Co-Op Partially implemented (more to come)
* extended documentation readme.html
* UI tweaks to speed menu actions and game setup
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Once again thanks go out to lalienxx for helping this along with SVN space (which is now up to date) and web/ftp hosting for the documentation and .exe etc...
http://ja2.h758491.serverkompetenz.net/Multiplayer-haydent/pre-beta/
http://ja2.h758491.serverkompetenz.net/Multiplayer-haydent/pre-beta/readme.html
https://81.169.133.124/source/ja2/branches/JA2_Multiplayer/
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#168399 - 21 December, 2007 06:11 AM
Re: NEW: ja2 v1.13 Multiplayer - pre beta testing release, multiteam action +more
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hmm i should try this out if i find some free time from work. 
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